As we all know, there is gender discrimination in temples (against women). Sabarimala goes another step (backward) and says that it wont allow women aged between 10 and 50 to visit the shrine. I did a quick web search to try to understand the "logic" behind this issue and did a quick web search. This post is to share the info that I got from the pages that Google pointed me to.
The most interesting one is the countercurrents article by Raji Rajagopalan which can be found here. It has a list of "reasons" as to why Sabarimala disallows women. They are as follows:
- The eight kilometer trek to the temple along dense woods is arduous for women;
- Ayyappa is a bachelor God and his bachelorhood will be broken if he sees a woman;
- The forty-one-day penance for the pilgrimage, where one must live as abstemiously as a saint, cannot be undertaken by women - they are too weak for that;
- Men cohorts will be enticed to think bad thoughts if women joined them in their trek;
- Letting women into the temple will disrupt law and order;
- Women's menstrual blood will attract animals in the wild and jeopardize fellow travelers;
- Menstruation is a no-no for God.
If the bullets (1) & (2) are to be believed, women above 50 also should not be allowed. There are other temples which allow women, and thus even (5) is invalid. So, we are left with (3), (4), (6) and (7). Yes, and these are reasons that people speak of in the 21st century!!! In the most literate state of the country. But yes, people have questioned these reasons. (I was unaware of the incidents listed in Raji's posting, but I assume that they are true).
- A mother of two ill children wanted to enter the temple; and she was *arrested* before reaching the sanctum and this ban was upheld by the Kerala High Court in 1990 !!!!
- A bunch of women supposedly tried to enter the shrine in December 2002. And the Kerala HC ordered a probe to see how that happened !!!!!!!!
This Indiavarta article says that this is the only temple in India where women between 10 and 50 are not allowed. A blog entry that I found raises an important point. An extract from that blog is as follows:
- Does the state (centre or state) give any funds to Sabarimala temple or the board? Is the government a board member? Is the government providing security at the temple?
If they are - then it’s the taxpayer’s money that is going to support an institution that discriminates on the basis of sex. Against the constitution, isn’t it? Especially because it’s not a minorities institution. (I could be wrong here - but am venturing into murkier waters.) That, is not acceptable to me. Cut state funding. Make sure it becomes totally un-cool to go to a temple that is discriminatory.
Time for us to reconsider whether things happening around us are right. I hope that the second set of reforms, which, I believe, is due, would address all these issues.
112 comments:
Excellent post, we now should consider to free the temples from emancipation
I agree with you Deepak, time has come for changes in HINDU CULTURE and HINDU TEMPLES.
Instead of stating NON-HINDUS ARE NOT ALLOWED; we have to write in front of all Hindu temples,
ANY ONE WHO BELIEVES IN CONCEPTS AND IDEALS HINDU CULTURE STANDS FOR ARE ALLOWED.
Some of this "orthodox crowd" who enforce very strict laws have no clue about what they are preaching about.
For example, the idea of keeping women away from temple during menstrual period came from Manusmriti.
Sage Manu wrote during menstrual period a woman should not kept in seclusion for seven days and there shall NOT be the idol of a deity in that room.
LET US DISCUSS FACTS. Why Sage Manu wrote that?
First during Manu's time, women were almost slave’s working day and night and forced by husbands for sex at night. So Manu thought by isolating women she can rest for her body and mind.
Second, Manu forbade keeping an idol of deity in the room, since blood was associated with sacrifice and Manu thought women may sacrifice menstrual blood to the deity.
We are in 21st century....It is about time we change things and bring HINDU CULTURE to the 21st century.
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I agree with you Deepak, time has come for radical changes to be made in HINDU CULTURE and HINDU TEMPLES.
Instead of stating NON-HINDUS ARE NOT ALLOWED; we have to write in front of all Hindu temples,
ANY ONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE CONCEPTS AND IDEALS HINDU CULTURE STANDS FOR ARE ALLOWED.
Some of this "orthodox crowd" who enforce very strict laws have no clue about things that they are preaching .
For example, the idea of keeping women away from temple during menstrual period came from Manusmriti.
Sage Manu wrote during menstrual period a woman should not kept in seclusion for seven days and there shall NOT be the idol of a deity in that room.
LET US DISCUSS FACTS.
Why Sage Manu wrote that?
First during Manu's time, women were almost slaves working day and night and they were forced by husbands for sex at night. So Manu thought by isolating women she can rest her body and mind for a week.
Second, Manu forbade keeping an idol of deity in the room, since blood was associated with sacrifice and Manu thought women may sacrifice menstrual blood to the deity.
We are in 21st century....It is about time we change things and bring HINDU CULTURE to the 21st century.
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Great post, thanks for outlining some of the "reasons." I am so glad that these issues (of women and "foreigners" entering temples) are now being raised.
Pijush:
"to free the temples from emancipation"
Emancipation is freedom. Is that what you meant - "now consider emancipating the temples"?
---# Men cohorts will be enticed to think bad thoughts if women joined them in their trek;
# Letting women into the temple will disrupt law and order; ---
These are the only two points that have any validity at all. And, they are tantamount to penalizing the women for the men's bad behaviour! I daresay the women can control themselves in such situations. If the men cannot, let the men be the ones forbidden to go!
Sorry to keep posting (!), next time I will try to put all my thoughts into 1 post.
You wrote: Make sure it becomes totally un-cool to go to a temple that is discriminatory.--
--This is a wonderful idea, and something I have been hoping to hear from my Indian friends for a long time. Now, can we do the same for temples that discriminate on the basis of race?
In other words...to be allowed into a temple as a "non-Hindu" doesn't feel right, when I am practicing Hindu dharma. How about a redefinition of who is a Hindu that includes practitioners of all nationalities and races? Thanks for listening.
thanks to my readers.. and yes, the temple laws should be changed to allow entry to any believer (and not any non-hindu).. letz hope that things go well and such reformist measures get implemented.
Reforms are good everywhere ,but in a truly secular atmosphere there can be no discrimination amongst religions when reform attempts are made ,
each religion has its own dogmas at times unjustifiable at times tolerated as a tradition ,only the believers can change them ,for example non muslims are not allowed in mecca ,
similarly if the government and consequently the tax payer which has conviniently usurped the rights of temple administrations and fleecing its revenues at the cost of its devotees comforts have a right over its descions ,it can attempt doing the same with churches and mosques ,you know they wouldnt dare doing it so till that day comes when ther is true secularism let us not talk of dogmas and breaking them ,it is sheer hypocrisy
Nice post, and nice logic. But would all these feminists and paragons of 'logic' and female liberation care to explain why their ire is almost always directed against Hindu temples and institutions? As far as I know, Islam allows men to marry four wives, not to mention stuff like triple talaq. Will any of these 'feminists' dare to oppose these very obviously discriminatory rules? Of course not - fear is a strong 'demotivator', right?
Am glad to see a male question this, because most males however justice-oriented they appear, keep a long face when you ask this little question. Questioning an age-old practice is to them unthinkable and completely wrong.
But these beliefs are too too deep-rooted and unless a looooooooooot many males come out and join you, its going to take a very long time to go away from our culture. And court... I dont know what to say about that!
Although I am not much of a temple goer this discrimination does annoy me. And sage (?) Manu was a male chauvanist, who spoke of treating women, shudra and dog with a regular dose of violence. I think we have evolved above quoting him.
But i think temples should be liberated from government control. I agree that women should be allowed.
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but any of you who talk about women liberation, do you have guts oppose burkha and honour killings? If you have guts to do it then only talk about it.
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Let Wisdom Overtake Emotions Among Devotees of Sabarimala Shrine
By- M.P. Bhattathiri
Controvrsies are part of Hinduism. This is the only temple in India where religious harmony prevails.
It is most unfortunate that actress Jayamala's reported revelation that she had touched the idol of Lord Ayyappa at the Sabarimala temple when she was 27, has sparked a controversy all over India. National media is giving undue importance to this. It is customary that women between the age-group of 10-50 are not allowed inside the Sabarimala temple. This custom is being practiced considering the celibacy of the God Ayyappa.
This Sabarimala temple is situated atop a hill in Kerala and houses a bachelor God called Ayyappa. It is purported that around the 14th of January, every year, a celestial fire - a Jyothi with healing powers - glows in the sky near the Sabarimala shrine. A controversy exists for this also.
What is the relationship between religion and women's rights? Should we care about the treatment of women by religions of the world? Should we be bothered when we see, even in the twenty-first century, a woman being prohibited from doing certain things, like becoming ordained or entering a temple just because she is a woman? But why does the Temple board tell her so? It gives a smorgasbord of reasons: The eight kilometer trek to the temple along dense woods is arduous for women; Ayyappa is a bachelor God and his bachelorhood will be broken if he sees a woman; the forty-one-day penance for the pilgrimage, where one must live as abstemiously as a saint, cannot be undertaken by women - they are too weak for that; men cohorts will be enticed to think bad thoughts if women joined them in their trek; letting women into the temple will disrupt law and order; women's menstrual blood will attract animals in the wild and jeopardize fellow travelers; menstruation is a no-no for God.
And so the list of lame reasons grows. Don't think that no one has ever questioned the inanity of those reasons. Several Indian feminists have fought, and keep fighting, with the Temple board in favor of the women devotees. But the Temple board remains implacable. It is backed by enormous political clout, and poor Indian feminists, like feminists almost everywhere, must fend for themselves. It doesn't help that many Indian women are disinterested in any feminist struggle. They think that it is presumptuous for women to defy established customs. It is hard to rally them, especially when it involves flouting tradition or religion.
Nevertheless, many brave and, sometimes, distressed women, boldly try to go where no young woman has gone before. Here is a report from a publication called Hinduism Today: "The ban was upheld by Kerala's High Court in 1990, but the issue is now being raised by a 42-year old district collector, K.B. Valsala Kumari, who was ordered to coordinate pilgrim services at the shrine. A special court directive allowed her to perform her government duties at the shrine, but not to enter the sanctum sanctorum." In December 2002, Khaleej Times reported, "Women have made this year's Sabarimala pilgrim season controversial by entering the prohibited hill shrine...Kerala high court has ordered an inquiry to find out how a large number of women had reached the shrine in violation of court orders." Strange, isn't it, for the court to scribe such discriminatory orders?
Fifty-four years ago, when the Constitution of India was framed, "Untouchables" - the lower-caste Indians who were believed to be "impure" and hence objectionable to God - won the right to equality and broke open the gates of temples that were closed to them thus far. Article 25(2b) was instituted specifically for them; to ensure that they could pursue their religion unhampered. This article gives State the power to make laws for "the throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus". Sabarimala is a publicly temple: Article 290A of the Indian Constitution entails the State of Kerala to pay, yearly, 4.65 million rupees to Sabarimala's Temple board. Nevertheless, it has so far remained shut to one section of Indians - the young Indian women. And the State, instead of opening it for them, works to ensure that it remains shut to them. Now it is the best time that all concerned should sit together and discuss whether permission can be given for women to enter Sabarimala
It is ironic that this shrine, praised as "an unmatched instance of religious tolerance", a temple open to men of all castes and religions, doesn't tolerate most women. The society that has grown, at least outwardly, to breach "God's decree" to keep lower-caste men out of His vicinity, is still struggling to defy "His despise" for women. especially, menstruating women.
Is it so because women are still regarded impure and detestable, at least during certain times? Is it because none in power is disposed to champion women's causes? Is it because women themselves are disinclined to unite against their discrimination? Is it because caste-discrimination is accepted to be viler than gender-discrimination? Is it because society is averse to disturbing the male-dominated hierarchy in India? This ban on women in Sabarimala, while it appears to be a religious issue, at its core, indicates an uglier problem - the oft-dismissed and court-sanctioned oppression of women in India.
What were the reasons and sentiments behind the human belief in the worship of God? Belief in the concept of God and worship of God are not one and the same. All those who worship God, cannot be said to have belief in the concept of God. There are many people, who think that there is no loss in worshipping God, even if such a God does not exist; but if there is one, it will bless them. The basic reason for the belief in the concept of God is the fear of death. Inability of mankind can be attributed as the next reason. The man, who set his foot on the soil of the Moon and who was able to send a missile to Mars, could neither defeat the phenomenon of death, nor could stop the natural disasters like earthquake, volcanic eruption, cyclone or floods. Apart from all these during the bad cycle of life many people have to suffer from unexpected sorrows aroused from close family members, friends and colleagues. Then majority of them will start believing that this is the curse of God. Comparatively, humanity?s sufferings, disasters and losses are more than the benefits it derived from the concept of God and Religion. Great wars fought, people killed or harassed in the name of God are numerous. Don't fear God, Love Him. In this context it is better to highlight a verse from Bhagavad Gita :
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My dear friendz,
Sabarimala is a temple which is enterely different from other temples.
Look, the total population of kerala is 3 crores and reports saying last season 4 crores visited sabarimala.
In that 90% is non-keralalites.
But here the question is why women are not allowed?
The answer is simple,
The forty-one-day penance for the pilgrimage, where one must live as abstemiously as a saint, cannot be undertaken by women - they are too weak for that.
Women below the age 10 and above 50 can take that, so they are allowed.
Another thing in sabarimala all non-hindus are allowed.
You can never find concept of vavaru swami who is muslim in any other temple.So be proud to the culture of Sabarimala.
Just stumbled upon your blog while researching the practice of banning women from temples during menstruation. Even in the USA, where I live, this is true of many temples (I know of an entire movement with prominent "white" converts that do this at every single one of their temples).
Comments to Anonymous: you are so off the mark, it's absurd.
1. More feminists and reformers of either gender around the world direct their ire at Islam regarding its treatment of women than at Hinduism or any other religion. The Catholic Church and the Pope also get their fair share of criticism. If you don't already know this, you need to tune into the world media.
2. You don't seem to understand who is directing their ire towards Hindu temples for their primitive policies and practices. I am male and born into a conservative Hindu "Brahmin" family (we have rejected the caste system, by the way). But conservative Hinduism has lost its meaning. To us, it means going back to the essence of Vedanta, not simply ringing bells in the mandir and practicing rituals. It means showing compassion to all living beings, which last I checked includes the females of our own species, laborers, latrine sweepers, the homeless, etc. My parents do their daily puja and I had a traditional wedding ceremony even though I was raised in America. And do you know what? We are all disgusted by these practices and others that are an affront to humanity and morality. What kind of Supreme Being would accept this stupidity as devotion? Not my God. You can be a righteous Hindu and condemn/boycott temples that have such idiotic rules (and still take photos from the outside!).
Then again, I am a native of the land of the Bengal Renaissance. Many of us are still waging war against the practices of sati, pouring acid on a daughter-in-law when you don't like her, caste system and dowry, and in support of widow remarriage. Sadly, except for sati which doesn't exist in Bengal, these things are so entrenched in society, it may take another thousand years to get rid of them. That is why I practice Buddhism now.
@Harilal
A penance that is too hard to undertake for just women in that age bracket!! Do women grow stronger when they reach 50?
@Veer Voom
>>1. More feminists and reformers of either gender around the world direct their ire at Islam regarding its treatment of women than at Hinduism or any other religion. The Catholic Church and the Pope also get their fair share of criticism. If you don't already know this, you need to tune into the world media.
I wasnt talking about Islam or Christianity in this post. This post is just about such primitive practices in temples, and esp. Sabarimala.
I really dont understand ur point #2. But, I guess you are also saying that such practices are primitive. Good to hear that we are on the same page.
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